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Anyone see the new show? I need to re-watch it because my 2 year old is loud, but so far so good.

I watched the miniseries on SciFi right before it and despite the old special effects, the original was better. But give it time.

Anna is a combination of John and Diana. Diana was way cooler. She just exuded evil. Good stuff.

I like the more "modern" angles in the new show though. Stuff they couldn't fit into the miniseries. Like the terrorist cells being sleeper agents for the Visitors. The sleeper agents period.

In the oroginal Donovan's video couldn't be spread because the Visitors took over the airwaves. I couldn't help thinking that they if they had the internet it would have been all around the world in hours.

I liked Donovan and Julie(?) (the blonde doctor/med student who led the resistance in LA) but none of the characters jump out at me yet. The FBI agent does a little.

It kind of sucks knowing what the Visitors are all about this time. That was one of the appeals of the original.

I don't see the outright comparisons to facism in the new one yet.

So far I am more interested in V than I am in SG-U, Flash Forward, or even Heroes. But it still ranks far behind Fringe. Ask me again in a month.

Don't forget to watch this show, because former Firefly actors need money to make their mortgages. Oh, and watch Castle so Nathan Fillion has a job, too.

I noticed there's a lot of Firefly cast members too.

The female FBI agent was on lost and Anna was the main antagonist (the bad guy, is that the right word?) on the last season of Stargate SG-1.

The producer said he wants to cast as many original people as he can. I hope they get Robert Englund.

Bad scheduling news. We get 4 episodes this month, 3 now, and the show is off until after the 2010 winter olympics. stupid idiots. who cares about the winter olympics anyway? I say that and I am a huge sports fan.

Yes. Apparently, Morena Baccarin has gone from "space hooker" to "evil alien overlord" and is now typecast or something. I'm surprised, though, that Alan Tudyk's character has yet to be impaled through the chest.

And yes, that's the right word. She's the Big Bad.

I thought that was the right word. I started to type protagonist.

She was actually pretty hot on Stargate. Must be the costumes on V.

It hits Hulu on Saturday, so I think I'm going to try to catch up on it.

Didn't the FBI agent chick impale him with a piece of rebar or something when they fought?

I thought she was about to, but got interrupted.

I'll have to watch it again But I think she did.

on a related note:

I said that already and with more detail.

Scott is slow. It's why we love him.

I was quoting an artricle. Your details failed to include that there were 13 more episodes, which night it was airing, How many viewer it had, etc.

Mine was more detailed, unless you consider your dislike of winter sports as being details.

Actually there are 9 episodes left Poindexter.

don't get all technical with me.

I just watched the first episode on Hulu, and... I don't know. The setup feels a little schlocky.

I'll give it a chance, though. Hopefully the characters get a little more realistic, the Vs start acting more convincingly instead of looking like the worst Amway marketers ever, and the paranoid conspiracy theorists aren't proven to be exactly right about all of their conspiracy theories. And hopefully no more attempts to be relevant by trying to equate magic alien technology to the latest hot-button political issue.

Also, they killed Wash with a piece of rebar. Half of the reason I watched this show was because Wash was in it.

SPOILER! Wash will be back. Apparently their socialist health care is way better than ours could ever hope to be. (Sorry, I don't know how to hide spoilers.)

I am really intrigued by the whole Vatican accepting them as "beings with souls and therefore in need of salvation" stance.

I had this conversation with my father-in-law once. He's a sci-fi fan like us (he like ST, SW, Wheel of Time -ok that may not be sci-fi technically. I haven't read the books- and the Sword of Truth and the Dragonriders of Pern series. He's also a Baptist preacher.

We got to talking about life on other planets and whether or not it exsists. I think that it quite possible. Like Jodi Foster said in that movie... -what was it? where she got into this huge gyroscope and went to another planet or something- anyway, she said that if there was no life elsewhere in the universe then its a lot of wasted space. I agree.

My father-in-law said that there could not be life elsewhere. (Now keep in mind that we were having a religious discussion, not a sci-fi discussion) He stated that they would have had no sacrifice (meaning Jesus dying on the cross). Now I hadn't been saved that long when we had this conversation so I didn't argue the point to much because I didn't know much about the Bible back then and didn't want to look like an idiot or something I guess. Also, my father-in-law is very stubborn when it comes to religion and politics so I knew I wouldn't win the argument.

But, my counter would have been this. Assuming the aliens had souls and therefore could go to Heaven (unlike a dog or cat or cow or monkee), maybe they didn't need a sacrifice. Maybe they either lived by God's law perfectly unlike the Jews of the Old Testament or God had another plan for them to get into Heaven. V has made me think of another point. The Vs are God's creation just like everything else. They are walking talking sentient beings just like humans. Maybe, in the case of V, the aliens coming to Earth is how the Gospel is introduced to them. Why are we, as humans, given exclusive rights to Heaven?

Keep in mind that this whole discussion is based on the belief that there is only ONE God and that is the Judeo-Christian God. We can get into the whole multi diety thing some other time.

What does God need with a starship?

Wait, wrong franchise.

Here's another thing I thought of.

Satan tries to copy God. He tries to replicate what God does in his own way. I wish I knew where in the Bible it says this. You see examples in the prophetical books like Revelation, Ezekial, and probably Isaiah. Like where God has the Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Satan has himself, the anti-christ, and blah! I can't remember. Is it the false prophet? Crap. I will try to look later on.

Anyway. So what if the Vs are Satan's attempt at copying God? From what we know from both tv series is that as a whole, the Vs are, by our definition, evil. They want to harvest us for food and steal our resources. How does that make them different from us? As a whole, humans don't try to wipe out others wholesale. Are we capaple of terrible acts? Yes. But that is our sinful nature caused by Adam's disobediance in the Garden. Another discussion for another time.

IF they are Satan's creation, can they be redeemed? Can a creation of the devil be saved? Obviously, not all Vs are bad guys. there is Martin and Willie from the original, and there's that black guy from the new show. (I guess we can't call him African-American can we?)

OK. I am way off topic. Dylan, if you feel its needed, I have no problem with you splitting this off into the Soapbox or General Discussion or whatever.

I don't know that it needs to be moved. I assume it'll come back around to V next week. But actually, Chad or John or Charlie could move stuff now if they think it needs to be (being CB, there's more admins than just me), and I'm OK with it if they do.

Russell, you might want to check out C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy (Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, That Hideous Strength). It touches on this stuff... of course, it's also pre-space-travel space sci-fi, so it's not exactly realistic.

But in Lewis's universe, each planet has its own species of hnau (sentient creatures with souls, basically), and is ruled by its own eldila (angels). The hnau on all of the other planets live in a perfect state, and it's only the humans of Earth that have fallen, because its eldila has become corrupt. And in the backstory, although I don't think it's ever mentioned more than in passing, there's talk of Maledil the Younger, who is above all of the eldila, coming to Earth because of its state. Quite literally Space Jesus.

OotSP was a decent book. I got bored halfway through Perelandra because, in both books, there's a lot of exposition about the travel, landscape, and exploration. It's a little slow moving but if you like that sort of detail (and don't mind the initial feel that each planet is a barren wasteland) you'll get into it.


Depends on your theological perspective if this is even possible. There's a perspective that believes that evil isn't really its own equal and opposing force, it's just the absence of God. So in that sense, the devil really couldn't create anything, only twist what already exists.

Also, I guess this is where I'm coming from. The Vs seem to be perfectly organized and perfectly evil. There's no room for redemption because there's no other possible nature for a V to have. It's a good metaphor for us versus them mentality, though, and I wonder if the Vs will play into it or against it in later episodes.


That could be interesting, but (and I was doing something else on the computer while watching it on Hulu, so I may have missed some subtlety here) it doesn't feel like this is the direction it's going. If the Vatican believed Vs were souls in need of salvation, then the priest shouldn't have anything to worry about, because that stance doesn't necessarily mean trusting the Vs implicitly. They are, like all the other poor non-paranoid-conspiracy-theorist saps, dupes who are going to give everything over to the Vs because they didn't completely distrust them from the outset.

Although... you make a good point about Vs being not so different from humans in the sense that they're out for their own survival. I'm hoping the series will start widening the gray area between paranoid-conspiracy-theorists and Vs, thus giving the characters that sort of depth.

I kinda doubt they will take the time to explore the whole Vs having souls thing. I honestly think they only included the Vatican's stance for 2 reasons. 1. The Vatican has a large influence in the world. 2. It works with the priest's story. He's opposed to an official church ruling or whatever and it may cause him trouble later on.

Gotta get back to work so I will comment more later.

I like this show, but not near as much as season 1 of BSG or Heroes. I will give it a try again when it comes back in 2010.

Just now getting caught up on this thread. V is not too bad of a show. I am not sure if I love it 100% or not. The plot is starting to thicken and there parts that are rather innovative and others that are not really impressing me.

Cool Plot Twists: Column 54 /59 (I don't remember what it is called, lol)
Bored old plot twists: V = the borg... maybe... lol.

So, I am still withholding judgment and hoping for something good here. I like the cast though I can't stop seeing Wash and the chick from Lost. They are completely pigeon-holed in my mind.

I am slogging my way through backdated tv shows on my DVR and just got done with V.

Indications are that there will be a 2d season.

Anyone still watch it? What are the theories as to what the Red Sky is? My guess, since humans didn't start dropping like flies as soon as it happened that its not a poison. Since the show likes to touch on political controversy, ie nationalized heath care, the V's have basically covered the planet in permanant cloud cover like Venus to induce a permanant greenhouse effect. In a way it makes sense since they are lizards and would need a warmer environment.

But I could be way off.

Here are other questions:

Will Lisa join the Fifth Column?
Will Ryan join Anna?
What will happen to Josh?
Whose side is the SAS guy really on?
What about Chad Decker?
Does Marcus have an agenda different from Anna's?

My answers:
Yes Lisa will join the Fifth Column. She will fight to become the new queen lizard.
Eventually Ryan will learn the truth about what happened to his girlfriend.
No idea, but I am glad Josh is not dead.
The SAS guy is on his own side.
Decker will try to subvert Anna but he'll screw up somehow.
Marcus does. I think he is John May. Well maybe not. Its probably more like he wants Anna's job.

I watched a few episodes but haven't kept up with it. I don't watch a lot of TV and even my hulu watching is spotty (although when they come out with Hulu for 360 that might change a bit).

Might be something I eventually come back around to, like BSG was.